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	<description>enjoying my nightmare</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@ghostlightning&lt;/strong&gt; it's actually a great connecting point, and it's main purpose is simply passing these micro-messages around.

twhirl does support updating to ping.fm, which is rad, but I think it's a one-way kind of street. (I don't think ping.fm can show a list of friends' updates on the various services... not sure any service can show all the updates from everywhere, not without the other users &lt;em&gt;being&lt;/em&gt; there).

Though, you can have multiple twhirl updaters open, post to one, it appears on another, but still fully be able to use twhirl-twitter for @ replies, etc.

So yea, a good option would be getting twhirl integration for updating melative, which is pretty simple. See &lt;strong&gt;melative needs to be at the &lt;em&gt;head&lt;/em&gt; because of the /action message format&lt;/strong&gt; and html stripping. Otherwise the messages on other services will look quite strange (play with the new melative stream and you'll see what I mean). You wouldn't want all the action overhead sent to other services, so unless twhirl or ping.fm will do some translating from contextual to non-contextual (which I'd fully support) melative at the helm is solid.

It's ultimately easier to let melative translate the message into a non-contextual format (which could possibly be user-defined), but going the other way (posting #TitleWithNoSpacesOrMedia EP: message) is a bad option, linguistically; it would take more time to get it right than to make the service better.

[okay that was alot &gt;_&gt;]

Personally, I don't use twhirl, simply because it takes up 65+ MB of ram, where a firefox extension adds on maybe 8-10 MB. ATM, my Firefox is using 118MB of RAM with mstream and twitterfox extensions enabled. I started twhirl, it's using 76MB ... the cost/benefit just isn't there. Also, don't most ppl have firefox and twhirl open together anyway O.o? (another survey question I think would be interesting)

&lt;strong&gt;@mellow_bunny&lt;/strong&gt;, whooosh! You know what I'm saying /highfives, you've seen the /action format, and all that jazz. One thing I might change is the message length on melative, bringing it down to make it a better fit (still doesn't bother contextual targets, html, etc).

Also, what I'm thinking is this:

/listening /mu/Mean Everthing To Nothing/. I'm standing on the table singing! !pingfm

That !pingfm trigger would make it hit the user's ping account, if they have it setup. Plus it's subtracted from the msg.

&lt;strong&gt;@Kairu Ishimaru&lt;/strong&gt;
lol, well, it would be advantageous to provide even a few words. Looking at Ping.fm's list you can see how many services are there for various reasons. melative, while it can be used for &lt;em&gt;I'm eating breakfast&lt;/em&gt; type updates, it's true shine comes in life of Media (supporting 15 various types atm including anime, manga, light noves, visual novels, and video games, and tv, and literature, and blogs, and periodicals, film, music etc)... 

ghostlighting mentioned that melative is covering too much, but it's mainly media... all media (and the creators/characters of it)... the centerpiece is not food, places, businesses, etc. The benefit comes from handling and containing media experiences and interaction in a fluid system (imagine wikipedia, minus all non-media related articles, and add in the social experience, friends, scrobbling, tagging, rating, viewing list, etc).

So yea.. twitter is for microblogging, melative is for a whole bunch of other activity (but the interface is now in a microblog-format... you can add stuff to your experience list, recommend titles, rate titles from the microblog, get it?) ... it just works for every type of media out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ghostlightning</strong> it&#8217;s actually a great connecting point, and it&#8217;s main purpose is simply passing these micro-messages around.</p>
<p>twhirl does support updating to ping.fm, which is rad, but I think it&#8217;s a one-way kind of street. (I don&#8217;t think ping.fm can show a list of friends&#8217; updates on the various services&#8230; not sure any service can show all the updates from everywhere, not without the other users <em>being</em> there).</p>
<p>Though, you can have multiple twhirl updaters open, post to one, it appears on another, but still fully be able to use twhirl-twitter for @ replies, etc.</p>
<p>So yea, a good option would be getting twhirl integration for updating melative, which is pretty simple. See <strong>melative needs to be at the <em>head</em> because of the /action message format</strong> and html stripping. Otherwise the messages on other services will look quite strange (play with the new melative stream and you&#8217;ll see what I mean). You wouldn&#8217;t want all the action overhead sent to other services, so unless twhirl or ping.fm will do some translating from contextual to non-contextual (which I&#8217;d fully support) melative at the helm is solid.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ultimately easier to let melative translate the message into a non-contextual format (which could possibly be user-defined), but going the other way (posting #TitleWithNoSpacesOrMedia EP: message) is a bad option, linguistically; it would take more time to get it right than to make the service better.</p>
<p>[okay that was alot >_>]</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t use twhirl, simply because it takes up 65+ MB of ram, where a firefox extension adds on maybe 8-10 MB. ATM, my Firefox is using 118MB of RAM with mstream and twitterfox extensions enabled. I started twhirl, it&#8217;s using 76MB &#8230; the cost/benefit just isn&#8217;t there. Also, don&#8217;t most ppl have firefox and twhirl open together anyway O.o? (another survey question I think would be interesting)</p>
<p><strong>@mellow_bunny</strong>, whooosh! You know what I&#8217;m saying /highfives, you&#8217;ve seen the /action format, and all that jazz. One thing I might change is the message length on melative, bringing it down to make it a better fit (still doesn&#8217;t bother contextual targets, html, etc).</p>
<p>Also, what I&#8217;m thinking is this:</p>
<p>/listening /mu/Mean Everthing To Nothing/. I&#8217;m standing on the table singing! !pingfm</p>
<p>That !pingfm trigger would make it hit the user&#8217;s ping account, if they have it setup. Plus it&#8217;s subtracted from the msg.</p>
<p><strong>@Kairu Ishimaru</strong><br />
lol, well, it would be advantageous to provide even a few words. Looking at Ping.fm&#8217;s list you can see how many services are there for various reasons. melative, while it can be used for <em>I&#8217;m eating breakfast</em> type updates, it&#8217;s true shine comes in life of Media (supporting 15 various types atm including anime, manga, light noves, visual novels, and video games, and tv, and literature, and blogs, and periodicals, film, music etc)&#8230; </p>
<p>ghostlighting mentioned that melative is covering too much, but it&#8217;s mainly media&#8230; all media (and the creators/characters of it)&#8230; the centerpiece is not food, places, businesses, etc. The benefit comes from handling and containing media experiences and interaction in a fluid system (imagine wikipedia, minus all non-media related articles, and add in the social experience, friends, scrobbling, tagging, rating, viewing list, etc).</p>
<p>So yea.. twitter is for microblogging, melative is for a whole bunch of other activity (but the interface is now in a microblog-format&#8230; you can add stuff to your experience list, recommend titles, rate titles from the microblog, get it?) &#8230; it just works for every type of media out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kairu Ishimaru</title>
		<link>http://aloedream.animeblogger.net/archives/414/comment-page-1#comment-21197</link>
		<dc:creator>Kairu Ishimaru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel ashamed for not explaining why Twitter is a good microblogging idea. ;__;</description>
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		<title>By: mellow_bunny</title>
		<link>http://aloedream.animeblogger.net/archives/414/comment-page-1#comment-21194</link>
		<dc:creator>mellow_bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 09:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good rehash Ryan. Nice and clear. *shudders with joy* Ooo baby I love using melative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good rehash Ryan. Nice and clear. *shudders with joy* Ooo baby I love using melative.</p>
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		<title>By: ghostlightning</title>
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		<dc:creator>ghostlightning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good lord, ping.fm looks like a monster! I can update it via twhirl too! If I can actually update melative and twitter simultaneously through ping.fm from my twhirl app... then I'm solid gold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord, ping.fm looks like a monster! I can update it via twhirl too! If I can actually update melative and twitter simultaneously through ping.fm from my twhirl app&#8230; then I&#8217;m solid gold.</p>
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